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Summary
This conversation reveals the heart of God as seen through Israel and the Jewish people. The family reflect on how Israel is not merely a place to visit, but a living testimony of God’s faithfulness, love, endurance, and purpose. They emphasize that God has worked something deep within the Jewish people through His Word, the Torah, and their continual devotion to it. The discussion also highlights that love, not doctrine alone, is the key to true oneness between Jews, Gentiles, and the Body of Christ.
Show Notes
The Heart of God Revealed Through Israel
Ron opens by explaining that visiting Israel is not really about the places themselves, but about seeing the revelation of God and His people. He describes the Jewish people as a people who have endured centuries of oppression and still stand strong in the land of Israel.
A Deep Love for the Jewish People
Ken shares his love for the Jewish people and acknowledges that while he may not understand how everything will unfold, he believes the Lord is leading His Body into greater revelation.
The Word Made Flesh Through the Torah
Mike explains that the Jewish people’s continual reading, singing, speaking, and living of the Torah has shaped who they are. He connects this to John 1, where Christ is revealed as the Word made flesh.
Memorizing and Living the Word
Debbie emphasizes the importance of memorizing Scripture so that the Word becomes part of a person’s life and can be meditated on throughout the day.
Training the Next Generation
Ron and Debbie point to the children in Israel as evidence of the Word being lived out. They describe young people actively participating with passion and purpose because they are being trained in the way they should go.
Love Over Doctrine
Ron and Ken discuss how doctrine, when separated from love, can become destructive. They emphasize that the love of God is what must control, drive, and bring forth true oneness.
Israel Becoming What God Created Her to Be
Dale closes by describing Israel as a nation increasingly standing in the purpose God created for her. He points to Israel’s strength, prosperity, and willingness to live out what God has given them.
Key Quotes
“You’re missing everything if that’s what you go for. You’re really missing the revelation of God and His people.”
“When you start getting a revelation of their heart, it’s just, ‘Oh my God,’ there’s no people like that I’ve seen.”
“I intently love the Jewish people with all of my heart.”
“It’s gotta come down to the heart. God’s looking at our hearts.”
“God and the Word are one. They’re together.”
“Then you can mutter it all day long. It becomes so much a part of who you are and your whole being.”
“The proof of the pudding is in the kids.”
“It’s not doctrine. Doctrine’s way down the ladder. It’s heart.”
“It’s the love of God that controls us, the love of God that drives us.”
“They’re willing to take up their lives and live it.”
Scriptural References
God’s Word Becoming Life Within His People
These references point to the Word of God becoming living reality in the hearts and lives of those who receive it.
Training the Next Generation
These scriptures connect with the discussion about Jewish children being trained in the Word and participating in the life of God from a young age.
God Looking at the Heart
These passages support the emphasis that God is looking beyond outward doctrine or appearance and into the heart.
Love as the Foundation of Oneness
These scriptures support the theme that love, not doctrine alone, is the key to true oneness in the Body of Christ.
God’s Purpose for Israel
These references connect with the discussion of Israel standing in God’s purpose and becoming what He created her to be.
Takeaway
The heart of God is being revealed through Israel, not simply through its historic places, but through a people shaped by His Word, sustained by His faithfulness, and called to stand in His purpose. The greatest key is not doctrine by itself, but the love of God written on the heart, bringing Jews and Gentiles into the oneness God intends.
Transcript
The Heart of God Revealed Through Israel
Ron:
Welcome to Live Behind the Veil. I'm Ron, your host, and today we are talking about the heart of God revealed through Israel. This conversation is not simply about visiting the land or seeing biblical places, as powerful as that may be. It is about recognizing God's heart in His people, seeing the strength and faithfulness He has worked in Israel, and understanding how His work continues to shape a people who have stood through centuries of hardship.
As we share together, we will look at the importance of the Torah, the Word becoming life within us, the training of the next generation, and how love is the key to the oneness God is bringing forth between Jews, Gentiles, and the body of Christ.
Ron:
It's not really the places. Yeah, they're exciting. Yeah, it's awesome to be able to go and see this stuff. You're missing everything if that's what you go for. You're really missing the revelation of God and His people, and when you start seeing that, the heart of these people is God.
He's worked a work in them- Yeah ... not just the believing people, even the secular people. God has worked a work in these people in Israel, and when you start getting a revelation of their heart, it's just "Oh my God," there's no people like that I've seen, anyway, where, that will stand when they've been beaten down century after century after century, oppressed and beaten down and just about wiped off the face of the earth. And here they are again, standing in Israel.
Ken:
I intently love the Jewish people with all of my heart. I just don't know how everything unfolds, and that's why I say it's so important for us to keep walking on the path. The Lord Jesus Christ, He's the head and we're the body, and we're following where He's going. And I know that out of that revelation we have of Him, it's going to unfold
Ron:
You know what's interesting about what you're saying, Ken? There are many in Jerusalem that don't believe in Yeshua. They don't, they don't accept the Messiah. But it doesn't matter, because if you see their heart and the drive that they have for the Father.
It's just deception is all it is. It's just deception, and it's also the history of what they've had to put up with Christians murdering and, the pogroms and the Holocausts and all the stuff that's been done to them. It's horrific what's been done to them, and yet their drive for God is unequaled. It is amazing.
Ken:
It's gotta come down to the heart. God's looking at our hearts. Our hearts have to be connected to His heart. That's what it's all about. I don't- I'll never stop loving the Jewish people. Never. I love those people, and I love what God brought forth in those Jewish people that have been deposited in the day we're living is just completely unbelievable, but it's all there.
Mike:
The reason why is because they're still into the Torah, and they're into it every week, every Sabbath day. They're all celebrating the Torah reading all year long. What is the Torah? It's the word of the Father that came to the Children of Israel, and Jesus read that very same word. He became the Torah made flesh as a result of that.
So if he became the word made flesh and the Torah made flesh, these people that read the Torah and hear the Torah and speak the Torah and sing the Torah, every time they're becoming that word made flesh, and you're seeing the end result of that. It's part of their lives.
Ken:
That's really the truth, because it has to be that we receive the impartation of a word from God into our being out of that relationship.
Mike:
That's the whole key. John 1:1, right there, is ... What's it say? "In the beginning was the word was with God," that was Christ, "and the word was God." God and the word are one. They're together.
Debbie:
That's why the importance of m- memorizing, memorizing the word. I, ever since I was a young child, I've had this in me too, is to memorize the word.
Then you can mutter it all day long. It becomes so much a part of who you are and your whole being. And I can see that the Jewish people, because they are doing this every single day, every minute of every day, they're participating and speaking the word, and speaking the word
Ron:
You know what's interesting, Deb, is to look at the kids. The proof of the pudding is in the kids. You look at those kids, and I don't know anywhere around here where you're gonna see kids that are as driven as these little ones. And these are little ones. We're talking 10- Yeah ... 11, 12, 13, and they're right in there with their dads, man, and they are not, they are not just standing around. They're in it.
Debbie:
But they are being trained up in the way that they should go, 'cause then they will not depart from it.
Ken:
I do know that God has a plan for all of us. He's leading us by His presence, and I cling to that with all of my heart. I have many more things to tell you but you're not ready.
Lord, we want to be ready. We want to experience. We want to be what You've called us to be.
Ron:
There's something of a heart, and the whole thing is love It's all love. It's not doctrine. Doctrine's way down the ladder. It's heart. It's the love of God that controls us, the love of God that drives us. That's what's going to bring forth the oneness in the Jewish people, and the Gentiles and in the world, really.
I'm believing it's gonna happen with the Jews and the Christians first. It's the love.
Ken:
That, that is definitely the key right there. You know what? Doctrine is really destructive. Because you can believe a doctrine and be damned. There are a lot of doctrines out there that are so far off, off the key. It's man's evaluation.
Ron:
Satan will give you true doctrine, but it's that rat poison. It's that 1% rat poison 'cause it's not in love, and it's not in God's love.
Mike:
Here's a word for you, protocol. It's synonymous with doctrine. You go to the medical profession, and protocol killed more people during the vaccine-
And COVID than the, the actual disease did. Because they had a certain way they were doing things, and they wouldn't break from the way they were doing it to allow people to come in and take ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or something else that would actually cure the thing. Yeah, they just would not drop that protocol.
But the ones that did, they saved lives. When they didn't, they were killing people.
Ron:
That's a great, that's a great example.
Dale:
What Ron is saying is those people realize who they are. Every year passes that Israel is a successful state, a country, on all levels. And I say successful, but it's a further expansion of what God created Israel to be. The growth of what God is doing in the earth is going forward very rapidly.
What is happening now is Israel as a nation is becoming more the Israel that God has created. Now, this is the Israel of prosperity. That's our inheritance. We have been included. They're not running and hiding.
They're standing out there, and they're claiming what God has given them, and they're willing to more than lay down their lives for it. They're willing to take up their lives and live it.
Ron:
Thank you for joining us today on Live Behind the Veil. As we have shared, Israel is more than a place on a map. It is a testimony of God's faithfulness, His covenant, and His heart being revealed through a people he has preserved and called for His purpose. May we allow the Word of God to become living within us, not just a doctrine or knowledge, but as his love written on our hearts.
And may that love be what leads us into the oneness the Father is bringing forth in his people. Until next time, keep pressing into his presence and walking behind the veil