Being Transformed In His Presence

Ron

There are different phases in our walk with God, and one of our first phases that we all experienced was God took away the soul level, and the focus was our spirit, to reach into our spirit, to recognize our spirit - so that we weren't just floating along in some religious thing. He wanted us to engage with the Lord, engage our spirits with the Lord. I think we are coming into a new phase, our souls are going to be engaged. He's brought us to a point of refinement, enough that He can begin to let our souls be engaged. I don't know if I'm saying it correctly. But I think you're getting the feel - your emotions are going to be beginning to be lined up with what the Holy Spirit is bringing. And so there will be expression, explosions, volcanoes, there will be explosions throughout our day, because of this hunger that's beginning to seep through from our spirit to our souls. Look at Elijah, he sure wasn't just a spiritual being. You got in his presence, man, and you knew you were in the presence of a gnarly guy. And I think a lot of the prophets were like that people look at them in the Bible, they read them. Oh, you know, they were so wonderful. No, you're not really, no, you probably would not have liked Jesus, you probably would have not liked, Paul, probably would not have liked him seriously would not have liked them because there was something in their spirits that was confrontive, explosive - and that's what I think we're coming into.

Dale

We're coming into the place where our spirit controls our emotions, and controls our flesh. That's an important thing. In the presence of the Lord, there is perfection. You don't walk up and sit down with God and discuss politics. In the presence of the Lord we're doing most of the listening. When we come to that place, that our spirit controls our emotions - our emotions are no longer our emotions,they are God's emotions; and you're the channel for. Remember, you're His mouthpiece. We're coming into that place where we have that much control of our spirits, that we can open our mouths and won't be our flesh and our soul coming out, It will be the very, the very Word of God, His way, not our way.

Sherry

I'm having a problem with the English language right now. I can't find any way to express to the Lord what I'm feeling. It's like it's in my gut. And there's no words. The best thing that came out so far is Ron said something about, maybe all you can do is scream. That's just about it.

Mike

Or pray in the Spirit.

Debbie

Pray in tongues.

Mike

Pray in tongues,

Debbie

All I can do is pray in tongues sometimes - I can't do anything else.

Dale

One of the things I learned to do was, let my Spirit speak, Spirit to spirit. I'm not sure if my conscious mind needs to be involved. It's like when your worship, you feel your hands are full - and you feel something leaving you going to the Father. And that's spirit worship, because you can feel Him coming through you. When you pray for somebody. Well, I don't know what the problem is, so what do you do? You pray by the Spirit, you reach in and you say, Father, I reach into Your heart; and I take what you have, or so and so and I channel it to them. You become a conduit. You don't have to know what's wrong with him, and you don't have to know the solution. You do have to have a connection and be willing to let that connection - let God use that. I don't have to say anything to Him - I can feel coming out of me, me. And He knows me better than I know me.

Ron

I want to go back to what Sherry was saying because there's something there that is becoming more real. And that is as you come into His presence; you have got nothing to say - because He's your Creator. He knows all of it and you feel that he knows all of it in your presence and there's nothing to say - there's nothing. There's there's no questions. There's no discussions, being in a creator's presence.

Debbie

I guess that's what He means when He says, Be still and know that I'm God. You have no words. All you have is Him. When you're in His presence, all you can do is just stand in His presence. It's so humbling, its no place for our flesh.

Ron

So Deb, would you say that there are different levels of standing in His presence? You stand in His presence - you know, doggone well, when you're standing there, you're being transformed. So there's a lot going on in you that He's, He's just transforming you, that will go on forever. Right now, you know, in the flesh we have, we have glimpses of the Lord. And we are transformed, we have glimpses, and which in were transformed, then we walk that transformation out. That becomes more and more of a consistent lifestyle; because of the ability He's imparting to you to be able to stand in His presence. Elijah says, I stand in the presence of the Lord - that's a big deal. That didn't come from just one meeting with the Lord. He had to be transformed, and transformed and trans. So I, you know, human beings, we are the lowest of the low, it's for us to be able to stand in the creator's presence, being dust, He's got to do a lot of work.

Debbie

I think it's in Ezekiel, that talks about the levels of the water, wading into the water. And I think like we're wading in the water, wading into the water, and it's coming up to our ankles, then it comes up to our knees, it comes up to our waist, you know, and eventually we become totally one with the water. We're no longer there; we're just the water - in His presence. Like you were talking about different levels, coming in different levels in His presence. I think that's, that's true.

Dale

What you're hitting on deb, I think is really important. I would say it this way. He takes up His abode within us. When He takes up His abode within us, we are no longer there. We're gone. We're an empty case, and He fills us to where we're pouring ourselves out. Once we're finally poured out, He's got us lock, stock and barrel. That's what our drive is is Lord, do away with me. Take this body and fill it. That's the Total Redemption because it's no longer us. It's all Him.

Ron

I'm a stickler for honesty. Yes, there's doctrines that He's going to totally take us over. There is also the reality of the experience. I would not claim that the Father has totally taken me over yet. But that's where I'm going. That's what separates us, from hypocrites and from religiosity is that we're reaching for what we're saying. We're believing to walk in what we're saying. But we're actually believing to stand in His presence, and have these experiences that does change us and He does more and more take over our lives.

Dale

I think there's two scriptures that really help us with that. One of them is He'll cut it short in righteousness. And I think He's really going to cut it short in righteousness that this flesh might be saved alive. The other one that that I live for, is that when He appears, will be like Him, and I walk it out; like today is the day. Appear to us today, Lord, because we know when He appears we will live.