The Jewish Roots of Our Faith

The Jewish Roots of Our Faith

Ron:

Welcome to Live Behind the Veil. Today, we are talking about what it really means for Gentile believers to be grafted into the Jewish root. This is more than a doctrine or a phrase. It is a revelation that changes how we see our walk with God, our relationship to Israel, and the foundations of our faith.

The family shares how the church lost much of its Hebrew foundation early on, and how God is now bringing a deeper awareness of His purpose for Jews and Gentiles. As we open our hearts to what the Lord is speaking, we begin to see that his kingdom is not built on accusation, separation, or tradition, but on love, humility, and oneness in Him

Ron:

There’s something so foundational that Christians need to get. It’s not good enough to say that the Jews are our elder brothers and we’re grafted into them. To get the revelation of what that means and the depth of that, it changes everything about your walk, because if that’s the case, I really need to know my roots.

I need to know my older brothers. When you start getting it, absorbing it, you realize that early on, we’re talking early on, probably, and this is being generous, 100 years after Christ was resurrected, but it’s probably way before that, the Christian Church became Gentile. The apostles all were martyred.

What ended up happening is that the leadership became Gentile. They didn’t even know the Hebrew foundation, or they didn’t understand the culture. They started taking the Scriptures and interpreting them through the Greek philosophers, and so the Greek influence came in really strong into the Christian Church.

We lost the very foundations of what Christ was trying to teach us.

Ken:

And the whole thing of Constantine, too, bringing in that element, that actually was very perverted.

Ron:

Very perverted, and that’s where Christmas came in and Easter came in.

Ken:

All of that stuff.

Ron:

We’re talking a long time ago.

And so people that say, “I don’t have any anti-Semitism,” they don’t even understand what they’re saying—

Really don’t, because they don’t understand the foundation of Christianity, where it actually came from. I’m just so excited about what we’re into because I’m believing it’s really doing stuff in people’s hearts.

Ken:

We were praying that the light would shine and break down a lot of misconceptions, a lot of separations from people to God. We’re coming into a time where the Lord is leading to bring about speaking the truth in love, and not make people feel like they’re missing everything, but just bringing forth a new revelation of what it means to be connected to the Jewish people and salvation.

Debbie:

And what salvation truly is.

Ken:

And what it really is,

Ron:

To the Jews, it means something totally different to them than it does to the Western Gentile mind. In their thinking, in fact, not only in their thinking, but in their covenants, they already are saved, eternally saved.

So their thinking about salvation is not, “I need to be saved,” the way we think of it.

They’re thinking about, “No, I need salvation from my enemies. I need salvation from this world. I need salvation from the things that are coming against me on the physical realm.”

Debbie:

And they are looking for the Messiah. They’re continually looking—yeah—for the Messiah to come, anticipating His coming.

Ken:

And you can’t miss, Debbie, what’s happening to the Jewish people. How many times have we known and seen in our history of time the deliverance that the Jews have had? Since they’ve gone back into their land, God has delivered them over and over again, and is still delivering them.

Dale:

We were talking about Christmas or Easter.

Those holidays are much bigger than you might first think. We think into them in terms of religious holidays. It’s gotten so that they really represent family holidays. It’s becoming much and much less a religious holiday as it is a family holiday. So what people are most offended about is giving up that family holiday.

It’s a family coming together. Take that opportunity to love them. The people who listen to these podcasts are people who are searching. They’re searching for more from God.

Ken:

Yeah, that’s really true.

Dale:

Just for example, we’re talking about Israel. We’re talking about us. We are a part of Israel. Aren’t they our older brothers?

Don’t you feel included? What does it say, where we’re grafted in?

Ken:

I think in reality, though, what you’re talking about is we have been grafted in. When we accept Christ, we accept the Messiah. So we are grafted in, and the recognition of who we’re grafted in with, I think, is what you’re talking about. I think the revelation of our elder brother is what we’re talking about, really coming into that fellowship.

I know Lois and I have a deep love for the Jewish people, because when you’re grafted in and when you accept Christ, you are a part of that connection. Now, the revelation of how much we’ve been grafted into, I think maybe they’ve been not aware of how much they’ve received through Christ in the grafting into the Jewish root.

Debbie:

We are all one. Because of the covenant with Abraham, they were brought into it, into their relationship with God, and they continue in that. We were grafted in through Christ. There’s coming a time that as we come into the days of the Kingdom, we’re becoming one, Jews and Gentiles. Only the presence of the Father and the Son.

There’s only the worship of the Father. The Jewish people know how to do that. They do know how to worship the Father.

Ron:

Gentiles basically accuse the Jews of rejecting Christ.

Debbie:

And that’s not true. That’s not true at all.

Ron:

No, it’s not totally true, because actually thousands and thousands did accept Him. But there is some truth in it.

There were a portion, and still are a portion, of the Jewish people that do not accept Christ as Messiah. They don’t see it. They never did see it. And there’s lots of reasons behind it, and really good reasons, actually. Flip the coin over. What do we see about the Jews? They need Christ. They gotta have Christ.

They can’t be saved without Christ. See, we don’t see that they had salvation before Jesus even came. They already had salvation, an everlasting salvation through Abraham, Abrahamic, Abraham’s covenant and other covenants. They already had that. See, so we are just as guilty. Both Christians and Jews are guilty of accusing one another.

The truth is that we’re both sinners and we need God.

We need His salvation, however He brings it.

We need it, and we really need to love one another, drop these walls. Because actually, if you really start studying it, you find out that the Christians and the Jews are believing for the same doggone thing right now.

They are. They both are expecting Christ to come forth on the earth, both believing for the Kingdom of God right now. They’re all believing the same thing. But see, Satan keeps bringing all these differences into people’s minds that just cause separation and division.

Dale:

We’re grafted in as a small part of something that is already a huge tree.

I think Christianity has a real arrogance that they carry with them, that we’re equal to the Jews. We’re a little branch being grafted into a whole tree. That’s a very humbling situation.

Ed:

The Jews don’t recognize the suffering Messiah, but they believe in the Messiah coming. The suffering Messiah, from what I understand, came first, and then they started talking about the Messiah coming.

Even the smaller prophets, they pointed right to Jesus.

Ken:

Isaiah, too.

Ed:

They pointed right to Jesus being the suffering Messiah. He had to come and suffer for the simple reason Adam sinned, but the salvation had to come through Christ. And if He had not come, it would not have opened us up to be able to come into God’s presence.

Ken:

There you go. You’re right.

Ron:

And we’re not really accusing the Jews of missing it, ’cause we’re all missing it. We’ve missed so much it’s ridiculous. They just did not understand that part of His ministry. They didn’t get that. They expected Him to be the ruler and the king and kick the Romans out and all that stuff.

That’s what they expected. You gotta also remember, too, that there were a lot of people before and after Christ came that said they were the Messiah. So these guys had a lot of false stuff going on before and after Him. We don’t really have a leg to stand on to accuse them because they missed Christ coming.

Ken:

You could even point to the way that the Lord taught the disciples to pray. Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Not my concept of the Kingdom, but Your Kingdom come. There is something that God’s bringing forth. He’s bringing a level of awareness to the people that there’s something more.

There’s something by revelation we’re receiving. It’s like the five wise and the five foolish virgins. The ones that had the oil in their lamp, the anointing oil in their lamp, and they were prepared. I think there’s a level of awareness and preparedness. We’re coming into that awareness that there’s more.

Ron:

Thank you for joining us today on Live Behind the Veil. This conversation reminds us that being grafted into the Jewish root should produce humility, love, and a deeper hunger to know the foundations of our faith. God is breaking down the walls between Jews and Gentiles and bringing His people into a greater revelation of His kingdom.

As we continue to seek Him, may we lay aside accusation, open our hearts to His truth, and walk in the love that brings true oneness before the Father